User talk:WikiPim/archive3

Down below is the archive from my talk page from july through august 2011

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Symbols
Hi WikiPim,

I was just hoping you could clarify something for me. On the item pages, I've seen a lot of different formats for the cycles. Namely, the / and + symbols being used. Checking the history, I saw that you had edited some of those pages. I don't know if you added those symbols or not, but I thought I'd just ask and see if you could let me know what they stand for so I can keep to the format when editing. :]

ToxicCosmos 22:21, July 19, 2011 (UTC)

Answered at your talk page

WikiPim 19:44, July 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Ok. I have another question about this.


 * When going to research an item, you can see grayed-out images (to the right of the highlighted item to be researched) representing the rest of the cycle - correct? I always write those down to add to the item pages. I've also noticed that the item pages sometimes have a few of the items in the in-game cycle, but not all. And sometimes they show Items that had not been listed in the in-game cycle. This is where I get confused.


 * Let's say you go to research the Wooden spear. To the right of that image are other grayed-out images; Iron spear, Voulge, Ranseur, War pike. How can you tell which of the items the game lists are unlocked after researching the Wooden spear and which can only be unlocked after researching the Iron spear, etc.? I always assumed that in order to get to, let's say, the Ranseur - you had to research the Iron spear and Voulge first.


 * This is making me hesitant in adding to the item page research cycles.


 * ToxicCosmos 22:36, July 22, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. I think I can help you here. The game shows which research items are immediately unlocked a single step in the cycle after the item on the left. In our current format it would look like: a > b / c / d. The game will not show you more than one step ahead at a time, just one ">".


 * If that was easy to understand here's some more. The game does not show a 4th item in new researches unlocked ( in above example that would be an e), but we can on the wiki with more forward slashes. Nor will it hint to the player that he needs to research any extra things for the item to appear in future research. That is like when we use a + b > c. We even need multiple input per item in many cases, since we can not see c until immediately after a or b is researched. So we will constantly find that a > c / oo, and question where did oo come from? Maybe there was b in there somewhere.


 * The implausibility that you'd be holding a machete from practicing a waltz, the game may be abstract.


 * ActiveUnique 08:21, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thank you. That answers my question. :]
 * ToxicCosmos 04:03, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Admin Request
Hey. I've made the request. I think they may want you to reply saying that you are, indeed, wanting admin rights. You can do that here. Feel free to add to it whatever you'd like. I'm only interested in admin rights. If you want bureaucratic rights, go for it. :D ToxicCosmos 19:37, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Answered at your talk page

WikiPim 19:44, July 20, 2011 (UTC)

Item page standard
I've figured out how we can create a page template so we don't have to keep copy/pasting the item page info into a new page. All we have to do is create a new page layout. You know the page options that show up when you click "add new page" - usually "blank page" and "standard page"? Well, when we create a new page layout, another option will show up. Something like "item page" or whatever we wish to name it. Problem is, we need admin privileges in order to create it. :/

ToxicCosmos 20:30, July 20, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hello. I don't have mastery of the wiki code, and the positioning I suggest may not work. But item pages can work like this:

; comment pseudo, private means admin privelage requirement template: infobox: item ; seen at right side of page template: infobox: item research ; private, seen only at bottom of page template: infobox: Acceptance_by_class ; private, right side, with padding, just above research cycle infobox, docked on the left of items ==numerous sections for users== ; leave some space everywhere so it doesn't crowd


 * When a user adds a new page, as predicted. New page > Item layout, is their first choice, if not someone can copy and move the info to the correct layout later. When the page is generated using the item's name it will come with a complete research, and blank acceptance by class which requests an infobox needs to be edited when previewed, until the item type is updated to include a keyword.
 * Standard users do not have to see the two info boxes which are private to improve the wiki, an admin making edits to the master can at any time, which then displays across many different pages due to multiple branches.
 * One of the sections for an item can be which item came soon before and after it, which anybody can update, and an admin can review this at any time for the master list improvement.
 * The other sections can all be customized involving unique game experience when haggling, suggesting, and prices offered.
 * This should give us nearly the same appearance which is already devised without requiring so much cutting and pasting in one or two button clicks. All we need are two new templates, please tell me if that's more complicated than it sounds.
 * ActiveUnique 21:55, July 20, 2011 (UTC)
 * That's what i was thinking about. It should be possible to add such a thing. Now hoping to get those admin rights soon. That way editing this wiki will become so much easier. We'll have to figure out how to do it though, but that might be something Toxic is better at then i am because he is more into the wiki coding. Great to have minds work together like this! Love it!
 * WikiPim 07:51, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * So should we edit the existing NewPage layout (the one with the thumbnail holder on the right) or create a new layout template for new item pages? I've figured out how to do it. :]
 * ToxicCosmos 21:52, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Have asked the Layout Builder tool so we can change the new layout page. Feel free to test around with it. Do notice the reply given by Merrystar below at this page.
 * That's what i was thinking about. It should be possible to add such a thing. Now hoping to get those admin rights soon. That way editing this wiki will become so much easier. We'll have to figure out how to do it though, but that might be something Toxic is better at then i am because he is more into the wiki coding. Great to have minds work together like this! Love it!
 * WikiPim 07:51, July 21, 2011 (UTC)
 * So should we edit the existing NewPage layout (the one with the thumbnail holder on the right) or create a new layout template for new item pages? I've figured out how to do it. :]
 * ToxicCosmos 21:52, July 22, 2011 (UTC)
 * Have asked the Layout Builder tool so we can change the new layout page. Feel free to test around with it. Do notice the reply given by Merrystar below at this page.

 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.pngWikiPim S&P wiki admin   08:53, July 23, 2011 (UTC)
 * Sounds great. Will do that. Thanks. :]
 * ToxicCosmos 04:10, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I actually found there was a way to insert pages through a template, after all, just see Help:Template, a more complex description which I seemed to need can be found at the main site and not easily found here.
 * I took some steps to create the design I suggested earlier. So far just the page as it would appear and some first steps creating the templates I mentioned in this topic have been made as I gradually learned how to make everything work. As of this moment, I believe it will work not exacly as stated, and I just have to enter some basic information which we already have on the website, before then it may be difficult for anyone to improve. I added documentation to make it possible sombody will understand and continue during any unannounced absence.
 * I think I know exactly what we need to make this work but if anyone has suggestions or constructive criticism, I'll take it. I'm all ears. There could be some template that already partly does what I am trying, if one is found before I complete the info gathering, please do tell. I'll even be doing a quick search at that point, but I'd probably miss something.
 * ActiveUnique 20:18, July 25, 2011 (UTC)
 * Very good call you make here. If you do not mind, i step a bit back here, to keep myself from being strangled into too many things, but will keep a monitoring eye on it. I think ToxicCosmos is more into this. I would like to see a bit of a different layout to the research tree, but that's of later concern. Research line should be in there, General buyers, suggestions and offcourse infobox item.
 * Thanks for digging into this.

 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.pngWikiPim  S&P wiki admin   20:53, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hey I noticed that you deleted Hurricane scroll in place of Hurricane Scroll, which is the opposite of what I expected should happen. Could you explain why?

ActiveUnique 12:48, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

Adoption Request
Hi. Your contributions look good and I have given both you and ToxicCosmos admin and bureaucrat rights. Good luck with the wiki! -- Wendy (talk ) 01:53, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Problem!
Hi:

I was trying to edit the Suggestion section of Vambrace and I came up with a problem. The original edit looked all funny, with showing up. I tried to delete that and re-enter it but I ended up not being able to edit Suggestions again. Can you help? What I wanted to enter was: Wooden bracer ~28% Elfwood vambrace ~44% Many thanks in advance, JonathanHuff

Many thanks! You've fixed it and I've added the items I wanted to! Btw, will the issue of upper and lower case 2nd words be looked at or fixed? JonathanHuff 21:34, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

I got it on my schedule, but not everything works in seconds on this wiki. Please bear a little patience with me plz. It's only the second day i got admin rights and i am on it. Trust me on that.

 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.pngWikiPim S&P wiki admin  </li></ul> 21:37, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

No problemo, not rushing you or anything.

Something like that is happening at "Monk hat' but I'm afraid I don't know how to fix it. I deleted the extra stuff but I could not get the cursor to get into the box to retype that information in. The information there was Apprentice's hat ~49% . TIA.

JonathanHuff 23:47, July 22, 2011 (UTC)

Questions
Hi. I'm afraid I have no idea what exactly you mean by making the wiki case insensitive, but my guess is that it can't be done globally if you mean some fundamental change. If you just want to be able to wiki link things without capitalizing you usually can - blacksmith, tailor, sorceress.

In terms of the infoboxes, there are two options. One is you can request via Special:contact that we turn on the layout builder tool. The other is that you can customize Mediawiki:Edittools with the templates so they can be clicked on and inserted easily. If you wish to do that I recommend you ask for help in our community forums; our users there should be able to help you set it up. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 01:17, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks heaps Wendy, i already sent a request for the layout builder tool. I also will use the mediawiki suggestion you have named. It's not easy to find your way around the central community for it does take me a lot of time to find what i was looking for, but i had found the suggestion of the layout builder already.

About making it case insensitive is that i see different pages being made when i use a link Category:Swords then Category:swords and Category:SWORDS. I would like to see all three those links directing to the same page: Category:Swords I am not sure if that could be done for this wiki only. If you could help me on that, i would be very happy, because it would lift some of the workload (now quite a number of pages have dead links on them because some people use capital letters on All Words They Describe An Item With and many follow the ingame (and generally used) normal way of describing things where only the first word gets a capital letter.

Also: do you have any idea where the extra coding from <p lots of code </p (have removed the end > because it doesn't show up otherwise) come from? that kind of code can get removed manually but it does affect people who are not aware of this issue because it's much harder to insert new information. It regularly messes up the page and gets all weird if that junk code is added.

Below is an example without the around it:

p style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; font-style: inherit; font-weight: inherit; margin-top: 0.4em; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0.5em; margin-left: 0px; padding-top: 0px; padding-right: 0px; padding-bottom: 0px; padding-left: 0px; vertical-align: baseline;"

 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.pngWikiPim<span style="cursor:help;" title="Be very afraid! ;)"> S&P wiki admin  </li></ul> 08:50, July 23, 2011 (UTC)


 * Hi. I'm afraid I don't know where your paragraph code is being inserted so I don't know how it's being inserted; if it isn't deliberate I'd guess it is a miscoded bit of template somewhere, or something interacting strangely with the rich text editor.


 * In terms of the capitalization, no, there is no way to change that at a fundamental level. You can, however, create redirects for common usages (eg, WIZARD redirects to Wizard). I wouldn't really recommend that for categories although you can do it if you like but anything else should be fine. And Category:Swords is the same thing as Category:swords as far as I know. -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 03:15, July 24, 2011 (UTC)
 * I made a comment about this for someone who has been reporting broken html code in pages. But I'm afraid it was too long so here I will try again. The safest way to avoid any more of this extra html code is not to copy and paste from a formatted text program, including the wiki editor, without confirming the copy is clean and the page has no broken "invisible" elements in it ahead of time.
 * ActiveUnique 05:40, July 24, 2011 (UTC)

Editing standards page
Hi WikiPim,

I was wondering if there is a section or page that holds the various standards that people are using to edit the wiki? For example, I remember reading a suggestion to name all item pages with the casing convention used in the game (e.g., Fire dagger and not Fire Dagger). But I could not find that suggestion when I searched for it, leading me to my current query. This page could also hold helpful editing techniques, such as the page on infoboxes that is linked on the front page. Now that I think about it, I guess we could add a page under that section (Edit Help), but I was not sure if such a page already existed. If not, please let me know and I will be happy to add one!

Thanks,

Quiktekk 01:41, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

The issue is, most active users indeed use the ingame naming. But not everyone is aware of it and with a wiki everyone can contribute. There even are several people using anonymous contributions thus making it a tad harder to get across. I don't want to have people frightened to add something because they don't make it the perfect way instantly. For me it also was a learning step by step. Good that you think about it, i might chance the welcome message to help people understand how the usual way of adding a new page is. Making a how to page or edit help page would be wonderfull. Please bear in mind that there are quite a number of people who are not familiair with how to change a wiki. So you will have to do it basically step by step. User JonathanHuff might be able to help you because he is brand new to using a wiki and thus can give you insight in what new users might find difficult. Thanks for your contribution how small it even might be. If it's a huge one, then i would be very happy with it!

 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.pngWikiPim<span style="cursor:help;" title="Be very afraid! ;)"> S&P wiki admin  </li></ul> 08:32, July 23, 2011 (UTC)

Hi WikiPim,

I've been adding a few new items pages on the fly as I play the game, like War labrys and Crushing sledgehammer, as I encounter new items that don't have pages yet. But I'm unsatisfied with the simple new page format that is offered by the Wiki. Is there a new item format? Or is there a way I can add the "infobox item" template to it somewhere?

I too now realize that there should be a upper case convention that everyone should be following and I'm going with the one that is in place here, i.e. upper case first word only, like War labrys and not War Labrys.

Cheers, JonathanHuff 06:58, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Hi Jonathan,

Yes, your concerns are known and have been discussed by others on this page. I have requested the Layout Builder tool from wikia so there is a way to add a template and more info to the option when making a new page.

You can however easily attach a template in a new page. At the menu above the screen you also see a button with template. Click it, click use magic word, then click infobox item. It will add a green puzzlepart which will change when you hover over it with your mouse into the infobox you can adjust. Another option is to go to a page which is already finished and copy that, paste it into your newly made page and adjust the info in both the text and infobox. Hope this is clear to you, if not, feel free to ask more.

 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.png<span style="cursor:help;" title="Bad ass & nice admin">WikiPim <span style="cursor:help;" title="Be very afraid! ;)"> S&P wiki admin  </li></ul> 07:10, July 25, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! The Wikia has a function within making links that checks them, though. I've been using that ^_^

hi there.. thanks.. :)
Is there a way to calculate the original haggle value.. since silver tongue should change it, how to calculate the real value? you know that?

Hi Gonzalo.bianchi

I would love to know every single calculation in this game and have all maths done. Feel free to start up a project if you like and add it to a new page i will make a general community message to inspire people to help out if you want (and i can tell you that those messages do help!). It is still uncertain if the silver tongue does increase something, what exactly and by how much. Many guesses have been done but nothing has been extensively tested.

Sorry about it, i have no answer then this to your question. Please also sign your comment next time using 4 times ~ (tilde sign) so i can keep track of whom posted what. Sometimes it gets rather busy at this page.

 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.png<span style="cursor:help;" title="Bad ass & nice admin">WikiPim <span style="cursor:help;" title="Be very afraid! ;)"> S&P wiki admin  </li></ul> 19:07, July 28, 2011 (UTC)

Replies:
Nope! Just saying hi!

unknown user.


 * replied: User_talk:ActiveUnique ActiveUnique 18:06, July 31, 2011 (UTC)
 * replied: User_talk:ActiveUnique#Congratz_and_some_questions ActiveUnique 18:36, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Signing
So, wait.. I sign it like this?

Shannonthecat 15:03, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Thanks!

Shannonthecat 15:18, July 29, 2011 (UTC)

Rights
Hi. I'm sorry about my former message and the confusion it caused! I gave you both admin rights only because the adoption request was specifically for admin rights only (see here) Most adoption requests are for both admin and bureaucrat rights, so it was an unusal request and I apparently got confused when I left my message. The only thing bureaucrat rights actually do is give you the right to promote/unpromote other users. If you need the rights then please make sure the community here is ok with you being bureaucrat as well and let me know or post another request on the adoptions page.... -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 04:58, July 30, 2011 (UTC)

FWIW I'd have no complaint about that; we could use someone with bureaucrat rights. I really can't see why other registered users would object, either.

Pinkbeast 14:05, August 1, 2011 (UTC)

Raw materials and the day cap
The redirection of Raw materials to Resources has eaten the information that day packages do not increase the day cap. That ought to be somewhere on the wiki; don't much care where...

Pinkbeast 10:02, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

You are right, the day limit is only found to increase with the starters packages, namely the bronze, gold and mithril versions. I have made a referral to this info on the FAQ page and will notice it in my next blog. If you feel it needs to be posted somewhere else, feel free to add it.

 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.png<span style="cursor:help;" title="Bad ass & nice admin">WikiPim <span style="cursor:help;" title="Be very afraid! ;)"> S&P wiki admin  </li></ul> 10:11, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Try using the orphaned page named Regeneration, and find some place to link to it. That would be helpful.

ActiveUnique 10:14, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hey I changed the index for the site I think users will like it alot more. People want instant info when they come to a wiki. If you want to change it back its fine but I just think this way helps to grab people when the show up to the site.

Extensions
I looked for all information about extensions. After a while I concluded we can't actually install any extensions on this wiki without help, the operator title used in the best description was "System Administrator" and that is different from a Web Administrator. We need someone with access to the server.

For use of personal css articles to reduce space used on repeatedly coded elements we would need

Extension:CSS

Now while I was sitting here I wasn't sure what the correct way to import templates was, but I found it right here:

http://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Help:Templates#Copying_from_one_wiki_to_another

From the description. I could do it. But it is easier for an admin with Special:Import.

Help:Import

The template we want is Clade or Cladogram

I think downloading the first would include both, and I haven't checked if they are the same, but they include different documentation.

note about bots:

The last thing I suggested earlier was a bot, but that does not sound like the easiest approach. Instead we just need someone with an assisting tool with an alternate account that is something named like BotLMaintenance, and have that account granted bot status so the antibot extension won't react due to rapid editting speed.

ActiveUnique 22:35, August 2, 2011 (UTC)

Hey active, lots of thinking you have been doing. You take a whole lot of stuff on your back here. Do you have an idea where i might find the clade template already? I can import it from there. I will have a look if you don't know.

In the documentation about the bots there is an explicit demand to have the botspeed lowered drastically to reduce server restraint. I think it is best we also keep ourselves to that. Sadly i get the feeling ToxicCosmos isn't going to be very active in the near future otherwise he might have looked into the CSS en bot thingy, being more into wiki coding.

And about your front page talk thingy: Good call. Notice that there are three subcategories in footwear: Shoes, boots and sabatons (armored boots). Body wear has cloaks, leather body armor, steel/ metal body armor as sub categories, arms has gloves, bracers and gauntlets, head has leather headwear and steel/ metal headwear.

 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.png<span style="cursor:help;" title="Bad ass & nice admin">WikiPim <span style="cursor:help;" title="Be very afraid! ;)"> S&P wiki admin  </li></ul> 07:01, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * You can find Clade on the english wikipedia. From there just follow the instructions on the media wiki page to export and import. Remember during import to state en.wikipedia as the source.


 * ActiveUnique 14:09, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Even though i wonder if it's what you want, i feel proud that i overcame myself and exported from Wikipedia and imported that template on Wikia. It's on Template:Clade and Template:Cladex. However, do i also need to bring in the documentation? And... Is this what you were looking for?

 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.png<span style="cursor:help;" title="Bad ass & nice admin">WikiPim <span style="cursor:help;" title="Be very afraid! ;)"> S&P wiki admin  </li></ul> 14:31, August 3, 2011 (UTC) It isn't functioning. I believe you imported the documentation by mistake. Note on every example it tries to call the function and gives an error.

ActiveUnique 14:53, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Oh I spoke too soon. I just went to check history right after I posted this. It looks like you uploaded template correctly at first. I can tell by the --{{}1}}}

ActiveUnique 14:56, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * I saw only gibberish being displayed completely different from what was on Wikipedia, so i thought i did a bad thing. Happy to see i did it right the first try anyways.


 * Also imported Help:table#cladogram but i don't know if that is usable.

 http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.png<span style="cursor:help;" title="Bad ass & nice admin">WikiPim <span style="cursor:help;" title="Be very afraid! ;)"> S&P wiki admin  </li></ul> 15:00, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Thanks. I think they might be very similar to one another. I am adjusting the clade template to work at the moment.
 * ActiveUnique 15:03, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * Everything works. Instead of the example to use cladogram to make text flow around I can easily place anything into a table or other element.
 * I am wondering, which settings did you use for the export and import? We didn't seem to get every single template that the template used.
 * ActiveUnique 15:34, August 3, 2011 (UTC)
 * I have exported from wikipedia and imported templates As_of and Tl (template link). Also Template:Cladogram and Template:Barlabel (for Cladex) as well as Template:Documentation subpage and Template:Mbox ; Template:Namespace detect ; Template:Ombox (for the documentation page) Template:Para (for the cladogram template) have been imported.
 * I think those where the missing templates. Can you change them to how they should be?
 * I think those where the missing templates. Can you change them to how they should be?

<ul class="wikia-menu-button"><li> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.png<span style="cursor:help;" title="Bad ass & nice admin">WikiPim <span style="cursor:help;" title="Be very afraid! ;)"> S&P wiki admin  </li></ul> 15:56, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Error noticed. The new templates all appear normal. However, I think there was an error while importing the help article about tables. The page refrains from loading. Could you clear that page and add a clickable external link to the main wiki on the page. Do not redirect, there is always a warning about leaving one website and entering another.

ActiveUnique 16:18, August 3, 2011 (UTC)


 * Active, i have been importing all info straight from Wikipedia and haven't changed a thing. MY goodness what crappy shitload of different templates i have been uploading to hopefully make it work.


 * Please bear with me because it's really annoying to have to get all those templates uploaded and changed.

<ul class="wikia-menu-button"><li> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.png<span style="cursor:help;" title="Bad ass & nice admin">WikiPim <span style="cursor:help;" title="Be very afraid! ;)"> S&P wiki admin  </li></ul> 16:28, August 3, 2011 (UTC)

Help:Tables still won't load. It does not seem like a template error since they would simply be displaying in red links.

Try to keep it simple. We already have clade and cladex working. - AU


 * I am completely not familiar with wiki coding so i am on the verge of giving up. I have no clue how to fix it nor what you mean exactly.


 * WikiPim
 * The help article is not required. So it is alright to remove it.
 * Did you have any trouble understanding the directions found at mediawiki? - AU
 * Exporting and importing is going ok, but it needs adjusting because it is based on WikiPedia. I ain't good at it, and i think seeing that it doesn't work i think i failed. I imported many a template to get it to work, but i guess still templates are missing, but i don't know which.
 * Feel free to tell me what needs to be added and i will import that. But currently i am a bit exhausted from the many tries i made to get it to function.
 * WP

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How to delete pages
Hi Wikipim:

I think I'd like to delete one of my strategy pages, how do I do it? I've kinda lost steam in the game. I've now acquired $2.9M but there doesn't seem to be an end game...

Cheers JonathanHuff 08:08, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

It is not possible to delete your own pages nor those of others. Only administrators can do that.

Tell me which page you like to delete and i will delete that page for you.

This game indeed has no finish. Sadly though. If you feel like quitting the game i cannot nor will hold you back from doing so. I still appreciate your contributions!

<ul class="wikia-menu-button"><li> http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/potcoplayers/images/thumb/d/d2/Cutlasses.png/15px-Cutlasses.png<span style="cursor:help;" title="Bad ass & nice admin">WikiPim <span style="cursor:help;" title="Be very afraid! ;)"> S&P wiki admin  12:28, August 4, 2011 (UTC)</li></ul>

A little tune up needed
The wiki looks like it didn't take to the installation of the new extension right away. I hope it is just a setting that made the source appear as html by default. The look of automatically generated html is not pretty, no line breaks. We just need that interpreted as wiki again and it should be normal. ActiveUnique 15:17, August 4, 2011 (UTC)

WikiPim I was starting to think the server was not parsing the javascript, but I expect I probably came in right while the upgrade was taking place. Fixed already. I am still interested in knowing what it was though. - AU

The broken Help:Table was fixed, maybe it was that which caused the temp trouble. I honestly don't know otherwise.

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You deleted a necessary page
I realize that "Rich Cloak" was deleted in error because there is already a page named "Rich cloak" the "Rich cloak" page should be the one deleted, not the "Rich Cloak" page. The reason is that when you type "rich" in the search bar looking for "rich cloak" you are pointed to "Rich Cloak". So, by deleting "Rich Cloak" you effectively broke the search bar, and the Wiki. As it is now, if you are to find "rich cloak" you need to type in rich, be taken to the broken page, know what you're looking for, and click "Rich cloak" from whence is was moved. "Rich cloak" is improper title capitalization as it is a proper name.

I ask that you read the editing reasons in the future before you deletes or edit. I expect you will rectify the situation, fixing the search bar, deleting the incorrect page and reinstating the correct page which coincides with the normal function of the Wiki.

If you have any further concerns, feel free to contact me.

Thank you, Tigax 22:44, August 5, 2011 (UTC)


 * Edit- the game improperly capitalizes the item, which is a clerical bug, if you insist on keeping it "Rich cloak" because of how it is spelled in the game, then you must fix the search bar so that one may find the page. My concern is not that my page was taken down, or grammar, my concern is the inability to find the item in the Wiki when you search for it


 * Dear Tigax,


 * First of all: thanks for voicing your concern.


 * What you talk about is indeed an issue which has come onto my to do list today because i noticed that to be happening: Search results pointing to deleted pages.


 * That is an error which i want to ask Wikia staff to look into and hopefully fix. I also noticed that protecting pages leads currently to errors, so i need to adress that also with the Wikia staff, namely Uberfuzzy.


 * However, i do not agree with your tone and with your reasoning. I have deleted this page multiple times with the reason we use first letter capitals throughout this wiki, to reflect the usage ingame. If you disagree with that, please discuss it openly. Untill it has been discussed and agreed upon by a number of people (preferrably the majority) i will remain with keeping to this guideline.


 * Also please tone down a bit. You are new to this wikia, or at least there is no known history of you on this specific wiki. I would recommend discussing things instead of getting all heated up.


 * I do understand that it's a dissapointment that your contribution gets removed right away, however, that is necessary to keep things as clean as possible. As i am currently the only active admin it's quite a task i have in front of me. Bureaucrat rights to give other members the option to help me out are in request but not yet granted.

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Tigax 23:28, August 5, 2011 (UTC) -- You show that you do not read, dear heart, my Only concern is that the search function is currently broken. Your willful efforts to maintain the Wiki to be dysfunctional shows that you are far more concerned with what you feel is right or wrong, and far less concerned with a person's ability to utilize that which you work so hard to create and administrate. Perhaps you should put the Wiki above your ego. You insist that it is the Wiki which is broken, when in fact it is a clerical bug in the game itself. While I do agree that Wiki should allow you to have case sensitive search options, or at least not limit you from them, Wiki uses proper English and the accepted form of literary technique regarding proper nouns.

Regarding my tone.. I speak to you as an individual equal to myself; you are no better than myself or anyone around you. You have no innate aura about you that commands respect. Quite the opposite, you demand respect, which only leads me to have less of it for you. When you removed a page which fixed the broken Wiki you did so at the cost of each of us who use it; I find that to be counter-productive. Upon page creation I explained my reason for making the page, on deletion I restated the purpose was to fix the Wiki, yet you insist to perpetuate a broken Wiki.

I care little in any case, and do thank you very much for the effort you have put into this Wiki. I will refrain from editing or contributing to this Wiki in the future, until I am sure of this Wiki's purpose.


 * Tigax you do not seem entirely forthcoming here. You may have come here to cause trouble and insult this user on his talk page so you could gain leverege in an easily fabricated future dispute through inflammatory remarks.
 * I believe you even said the whole wiki was broken. When you visit a place, you are allowed to think whatever you want. But I didn't get anything useful after quote: "my Only concern is that the search function is currently broken." Please find a way to fix that broken search bar instead of trying to completely alter the entire wiki at once.
 * ActiveUnique 23:58, August 5, 2011 (UTC)

Dear Tigax,

As i said: it is on my to do list to try and fix the errors in the search bar. Next time use a redirect tag instead of copying the page to a new page, which makes it a double post and thus confusing.

I let your agressive remarks towards me rest but please keep an open eye and ear for other options to resolve issues you have, perhaps also reading through the helpfiles. If you would have added #redirect Rich cloak in the source code you would have had not make me delete this page, had gotten the same results (the search result got to the right page then) and had not found any problem here whatsoever. I tend to remove redirects if possible, to find bad links much easier but intentionally added redirects are left alone by me, especially if you put a notice in the summary stating your intention.

So all in all you made a huge deal out of something you could have easily done differently. I leave it with that if you don't mind.

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Adventures
Hi: Thanks for your message and info. Yes, I had indeed noticed that. In fact, that's one of the reasons why I had been thinking about deleting my strat page, it's because I realized that as I went further in the game different things were happening and that different strategies would be needed for different levels. Instead, I'm turning my first strategy page into a page of notes which I'm organizing as I go along,

Cheers JonathanHuff 10:51, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

---PS, I've added to my strategy page:

http://swordsandpotions.wikia.com/wiki/John_Huff%27s_strategy_guide#Adventurers:

but I'm unable to get rid of the paragraphs in my Adventurers section, can you help? TIA,

Cheers JonathanHuff 11:38, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

--- Thanks very much for your help!!!

JonathanHuff 18:52, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

It is almost time for the changes
I've created the account BotTraveller, I can test its usage with a few edits before you flag it as a bot so it won't overwhelm the edit history. Also it will be set to between 5 and 20 edits per minute if automatic.


 * 1) The primary goal is changing all the broken links that are already on pages.
 * 2) I'd like to use the current well used item template to add pages to a temporary category so they can be sorted very easily.

This can be done in small steps. I won't do anything that hasn't been approved of.

ActiveUnique 18:39, August 6, 2011 (UTC)

Wow, you did a massive amount of work my friend. I cannot flag that bot myself, it has to be done by Wikia staff (see here).

Thanks for all the stuff you do, will make you admin once i get the bureaucrat rights, which is sadly still pending :(

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 * Ok. I'll put the bot to use later and we can ask if everyone is happy with it. This could take some extra time.


 * ActiveUnique 18:59, August 6, 2011 (UTC)
 * I believe the software works very well. As expected I ran into some trouble which you can see in the more recent changes. Switching categories won't be any challenge so I'll add more to the talk page later so we can try getting it right on the first try.
 * ActiveUnique 15:27, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * ActiveUnique 15:27, August 10, 2011 (UTC)
 * ActiveUnique 15:27, August 10, 2011 (UTC)

Bureaucrat Rights
Sorry about the delay -- we got a few days behind on the requests page. I've given you bureaucrat rights. Good luck with it! -- <font color="Blue">Wendy (<font color="Blue" size="1">talk ) 02:03, August 7, 2011 (UTC)

Rights
Thanks very much for your support and trust!

Cheers, JonathanHuff 16:16, August 7, 2011 (UTC)